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Post by Scyepogg on May 29, 2008 7:29:00 GMT 1
Now,
Are there any alts or slow-mains that would like to do some instancing in Outland together? Now I am particularly looking for Ramparts, as I am still 61, I need some loot from there and it is quite hard to find a group. Anyone who is interested - let us cooperate! We can then move on to other instances.
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Post by Scyepogg on May 29, 2008 7:48:23 GMT 1
By the way..
Cannot self-healing be a way of multiple mob tanking? A pally or a druid or even a shaman goes to attack, gets some damage and then heals and heals it getting threat while others DPS mobs...
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Post by Aroh on May 29, 2008 8:17:11 GMT 1
I have 2 caster alts at 68 and 69. Once you get there I'd be happy to join. Once my drood hits 70 he is going resto though. When ever that is...
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Post by Scyepogg on May 29, 2008 8:37:13 GMT 1
Do you need Ramparts for 68 level chars? Well, I know you are a carebear  If you actually have nothing to do, we may try doing only the 1st boss of ramparts, for he drops what I want from there... Well, I don't want to be abusing your help anyway You've helped me a lot already. But I will ask you then if I am in a desperate situation and can't compose a group.. |
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Post by The Deserted Grail on May 29, 2008 14:57:07 GMT 1
I do have a 66 prot warrior and 68 warlock who might be rather helpful. They're both done with Ramparts, but I assume both are lacking stuff from Slave Pens / Underbog and the Sethekk instances. By the way.. Cannot self-healing be a way of multiple mob tanking? A pally or a druid or even a shaman goes to attack, gets some damage and then heals and heals it getting threat while others DPS mobs... That only works in PvP and certain situations where there's loads of NORMAL mobs and the person is specced for healing. There are few parts in Karazhan where this strategy is somewhat good as the mana-leeching mobs don't seem to mind the tank anyway... The reason tanks don't heal themselves, even if they have healing spells, is due 1) spell pushback and 2) the fact that you can't block or parry while you're casting, meaning you take loads of more damage and 3) they do very minimal amount of threat compared to if you were using the skills that are meant for raising threat. |
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Post by Scyepogg on May 29, 2008 15:02:55 GMT 1
Isn't threat generated by heal equal to threat generated by damage? E.G. 1 point healed threat = 1 point damage done threat? Who hits harder, boss or tank? I guess boss...
Spell pushback - that is important, it seems. But for instant heals - they would do additional damage.
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Post by The Deserted Grail on May 29, 2008 16:30:54 GMT 1
You don't exactly generate threat by "doing damage". If it worked like that, dps would be having aggro 100% of the time. All tank classes use skills that generate extra threat, e.g. warrior's sunder armor causes absolutely no damage, but reduces enemy's armor and causes a high amount of threat.
Druids and paladins have more damage based threat causing skills, but for druids you're required to stay in Bear Form, which means you can only use frenzied regeneration (or whatever its called) or HoT yourself beforehand, and for paladin most of your threat comes from Judgements and Holy Shield procs (every time you BLOCK an attack, which doesn't happen if you're casting).
From WoWWiki.com/Threat:
You most likely won't have the healing power to survive several elite mobs hitting you unless you're specced for healing, in which case you most likely also have the reduced threat generated from healing spells, which further makes it impossible to hold threat with it. I'd say the worst thing is survivability, though. There are a lot of elite mobs that hit so hard just can't deal with them - this goes especially for all bosses. Don't forget gouging, stuns, spell interrupts (kick and pummel) and silence, which leave you standing there doing nothing and just taking massive damage for 3-8 seconds.
Tanking classes aren't excellent at survivability just because they have high armor (which is something a resto shaman/holy paladin can have as well), but because they have natural and skill-based avoidance (blocking, dodging, parrying) that allows them to completely nullify a big part of the damage. As mentioned before, you lose those if you try to cast at the same time.
What goes for instant heals, a big part of them are HoTs that don't really keep you alive if you don't get anything else, and those that aren't HoTs come with a cooldown (e.g. Nature's Swiftness, 3 minutes).
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Post by Aroh on May 30, 2008 6:25:50 GMT 1
I have 2 caster alts at 68 and 69. Once you get there I'd be happy to join. Once my drood hits 70 he is going resto though. When ever that is... Meaning, once you get to about 66 I'd be happy to do instance runs i'm lacking still. |
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Post by Scyepogg on May 30, 2008 8:08:11 GMT 1
I have 2 caster alts at 68 and 69. Once you get there I'd be happy to join. Once my drood hits 70 he is going resto though. When ever that is... Meaning, once you get to about 66 I'd be happy to do instance runs i'm lacking still. Fine the, are they DPS? P.S. now I get it, if he's a caster and not resto, he's dps. And sorry for my misunderstanding I'd be happy to do some instances with tribesmates.. Leveling in 60s takes ages though, quite hard to accept that after the now-seeming-fast levels before 60. Did a ramparts run yesterday, actually, in the end. Though nothing I wanted dropped.. At least I replaced my cloak I've been wearing since Razorfen Downs... |
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Post by Scyepogg on May 30, 2008 8:19:06 GMT 1
You don't exactly generate threat by "doing damage". If it worked like that, dps would be having aggro 100% of the time. All tank classes use skills that generate extra threat, e.g. warrior's sunder armor causes absolutely no damage, but reduces enemy's armor and causes a high amount of threat. I know tanks generate threat by abilities, not by damage, but didn't know healing generated 1/2 threat of damage. Actually I do enjoy healing, just staying aside casting spells at others while they take most of the damage Seems fun and easy. Though I don't know if I will care to level my resto druid all the way from lvl 22 and I don't like that horrible tree of life to replace my sexy spotty cow |
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If you actually have nothing to do, we may try doing only the 1st boss of ramparts, for he drops what I want from there... 
