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Post by Aroh on Jun 11, 2009 9:09:11 GMT 1
While afk I've been trying to think of new plot lines, events etc. One obvious tauren lore topic I can't remember us taking advantage of comes to mind right away, namely The Grimtotems.
I think we have (had) tribe members who either claim to have family members killed by them or claim to be one of them.
My question is, how do you feel about them?
Is Magatha just a misunderstood skillful "opposition politician" striving for power, or is she the root of all evil threatening to give up all shu'halo to he forsaken, or even scourge?
Are Grimtotems in general corrupted by Magatha's lust for power or where they just warmongering murderers from the start?
..Or, is it just a few rotten apples ruining everyones' rep?
Are their xenophobic ideas something we should take into serious consideration or just shun? (Remember we have talked against those shu'halo who leave their roots and tauren tribes).
Well, that was more than a few questions, but: discuss!
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Post by Scyepogg on Jun 11, 2009 9:17:30 GMT 1
They just have a wider view on the tauren' role and position in the world..
And Magatha isn't THAT bad, is she? It's nice to have characters like her in game, unlike all those pure good guys and bad guys.
I am still thinking whether I should delete my undead DK and make that Grimtotem necromancer...
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Post by Aroh on Jun 11, 2009 9:31:39 GMT 1
I'm not sure if killing tauren who befriend other races is "wider view on the tauren' role and position in the world.. "  Personally I find it very odd that horde has quests to kill Grimtotems. I'd thin Cairne could have come up with a less hostile way to deal with the opposition. Killing them makes no sense while Magatha sits in TB. Of course M wouldn't want us to think she is THAT bad, because it would totally ruin her chances of gaining power. But just remember how she got into power in the first place. Her husband died in some rather fishy circumstances. I agree with Scye that of course it would be totally boring to have all tree hugging race. But what I was mainly after is finding the gray area here. I'd think it would make for more interesting rp to handle the Grimtotem situation in some other way than ignoring them or killing them.  |
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Post by Scyepogg on Jun 11, 2009 9:44:45 GMT 1
Well, I see them as a more-or-less opppositional faction within the tauren, having its own "extreme wing" or some "illegal armed forces". You can fight when you meet them, but negotiate with the leaders and have peace officially, that's what happens a lot IRL. But I agree we've left Grimtotems out of our RP somewhat.
I'd also love to see next part of the story Grail posted on the forums.
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Post by Groax on Jun 11, 2009 20:14:31 GMT 1
I remember how I once thought about making Groax a Grimtotem tohren. I guess I still could because I haven't exactly ever planned out his background story that well.
I also distantly recall an event that was somehow related to Grimtotems...but I'm pretty sure we made burgers out of them in it.
It could be fun to have a new event, maybe including the "newly" added Blackhoof Village in Dustwallow Marsh. Someone *points Scye's new DK* playing as grimtotem representative could also add to the fun. Telling us Misties how they're misunderstood carebears...or leading us a to an ambush in the village. (*gasp* Level 37 Grimtotems...)
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Post by Scyepogg on Jun 11, 2009 21:54:54 GMT 1
With the new incoming tauren feature of changing fur colour becoming a Grimtotem will be easier than ever Though, it feels somewhat stupid to be able to change your colour... |
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Post by The Deserted Grail on Jun 12, 2009 9:02:27 GMT 1
I don't really remember Cairne being in any way related to the go-n-slay-da-grims quests. I'm imagining he doesn't even know what the player goes around doing. The requests you get are mostly from concerned tauren who live nearby the Grimtotems and have either had their village or friends captured/slain by them or know for rather sure that the Grimtotems are plotting an attack against them. I don't think I've read the quest descriptions during the last five times I've done the quests so I could be wrong.
I kind of view Magatha as the Varimathras of Thunder Bluff. Not in the sense that she would be allied with the Scourge, but in that she's running her own secretive warfare with fake reasons that will - if it succeeds - eventually lead into a violent rebellion and eradication of many in Thunder Bluff and an open warstate first with the orcs (considering they seem to be first priority to the Grimtotem, along with centaur and goblins) and secondly with everybody else.
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Post by Brownpaw on Jun 12, 2009 11:42:57 GMT 1
Just to add to this can anyone else remeber the quest "Grimtotem Spying" www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Grimtotem_SpyingThe notes come together as: Secret Note #1: Agasham, Our plans must be kept secret at all costs! It will be disastrous if the other Tauren tribes discover our affiliation. Signed, Harbinger Elm Secret Note #2: Agasham, Working together, our forces will be more powerful than all of the Tauren tribes put together! Yet, we require your total obedience. Remember, your people will be rewarded only after our plans come to fruition. Signed, Harbinger Rex Secret Note #3: Agasham, Our agents from Lordaeron will meet with your delegates. Soon. We will notify you once we've found an appropriate location for our summit. Signed, Harbinger Grakus |
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Post by The Deserted Grail on Jun 13, 2009 19:52:13 GMT 1
Yes, the Grimtotem seem to have some connections with the Forsaken. The somewhat new quests in Dustwallow Marsh also indicate to that. Also, as the wowwiki article about Grimtotems mentions another quest: "The first tablet goes to a Tauren female... one called Magatha. She is among the elders in Thunder Bluff, and is one of the proponents of the alliance between the Tauren and the Forsaken. She, more than anyone among the elders, feels the Tauren and their ways can help the Forsaken find a path back to being human. Bring her the Tablet of Beth'Amara. The tablet may be the link she needs in finding a way to help the Forsaken... or so she claims...?" |
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Post by Aroh on Jun 17, 2009 8:06:17 GMT 1
Grail made a good point that the leaders don't know everything that goes on in the field. But I suppose it is the good ol' stereotype of good vs. evil that makes me rather think that Cairne knows nothing but Magatha is surely the master mind behind everything the Grimtotems do. I'm sure realistically neither is the case. Magatha disowning her nephew Arnak (whom I'm sure we've all killed in 1k Needles), after he has badly hurt the faction's reputation, sounds a whole lot like something a politician would do. I just saw the same thing happen last night on the news... (Keskustan vaalirahoituskohu, anyone?) Anyways, either she is not as extreme as the rest of the Tribe or she is just trying to cower up the (evil) big plan with her politician talks. I suppose with the new undead "situation" with Varimathas' betrayal and all, it would be interesting to revisit the Grimtotem-forsaken relationship. What side are they on? Even though we don't know, we can always be worried and speculate. It is made clear that it was Magatha's idea to bring the forsaken to TB in the first place and she is very much interested in their plague research. I was in fact also thinking about the Grimtotem villages in Dustwallow. It is oh so sinister... And what was this about Scye's DK?  |
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Post by Scyepogg on Jun 17, 2009 14:59:52 GMT 1
I have deleted my original undead DK (level 58, no big deal) and made a new one, 58 already as well. She is a Grimtotem necromancer, not a Death Knight IC.
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